'Fast Money' traders talk the state of the Big Bank sector heading into 2026 - part 1/2
2025-12-30_22-40 • 5m 45s
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00:00.200
Guy
Domy.
Guy Adami (Director of Advisor Advocacy)
00:01.120
Yes,
sir.
? (Host)
00:01.720
Great
year.
I
know
you've
been
on
them.
? (Host)
00:04.200
No,
you
have
Guy Adami (Director of Advisor Advocacy)
00:04.720
been.
? (Host)
00:05.560
Good
calls.
What's
going
to
happen
next
year?
Guy Adami (Director of Advisor Advocacy)
00:08.680
First
of
all,
Karen's
been
on
top
of
it
and
Tim
has
who's
in
absentia.
I
believe
he's
in
Europe
right
now.
Terms
of
the
banks,
some
we've
gotten
rights,
a
lot
of
them
I've
gotten
wrong,
but
Citibank
is
the
one
that
continues
to
stick
out
to
me
and
we
can
talk
about
what
a
great
Guy Adami (Director of Advisor Advocacy)
00:21.720
job
Jane
Fraser
has
done.
There's
this
getting,
you
know,
getting
themselves
out
of
bad
businesses,
focusing
on
what's
working,
the
restructuring
to
bring
him
to
the
bank,
but
if
JP
Morgan,
and
we've
done
this
math
problem,
is
worth
three
times
tangible
book-ish,
I
think
it's
Guy Adami (Director of Advisor Advocacy)
00:36.920
fair
to
say
that
Citi
should
be
half
of
that.
And
half
of
that
gets
you
about
$148
stock.
And
we've
been
pretty
consistent
on
this.
That's
where
I
think
it's
going.
And
although
Citi's
had
a
huge
run
off
the
lows
that
we
saw
earlier
in
the
year,
I
think
there's
still
a
lot
of
Guy Adami (Director of Advisor Advocacy)
00:51.840
room
to
the
upside
here
in
Citi.
? (Host)
00:53.760
The
interesting
thing,
Karen,
about
Citigroup
is
that
Jane
Fraser
has
done
a
great
job.
And
one
of
the
things
she's
done
is
to
get
bigger
in
terms
of
the
stock
valuation
by
getting
smaller
shrinking
the
company.
She
This
is
not
a
winner
take
all
strategy.
She
I
feel
like
she's
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01:09.640
being
very
targeted,
very
smart
about
just
ditching
businesses
that
she
doesn't
need.
Doesn't
want.
Karen Finerman (Co-Founder & CEO)
01:16.040
Right?
Well,
also
she's
been
really
good
about
trying
to
get
them
integrated
to
be
one
bank
after
just
a
series
of
acquisitions
over
decades
that
were
never
put
together.
And
I
mean
she's
created
a
culture
there
where
I
think,
you
know,
building
the
asset
wealth
management
Karen Finerman (Co-Founder & CEO)
01:32.840
business,
but
it
is
a
great
time
for
banks
overall.
It
doesn't
get
any
better
than
this.
The
economy's
growing,
regulation
is
heading
their
way,
credit
quality
is
great,
capital
markets
are
really
good
and
looking
to
be
just
as
good
next
year,
then
you
have
the
asset
wealth
Karen Finerman (Co-Founder & CEO)
01:47.400
management
business.
All
of
that's
great.
And
then
you
have
AI
making
banks.
They're
a
great
candidate
for
what's
a
business
that
could
be
so
much
more
efficient
than
it
is.
If
you
could
cut
out
2%
of
expenses
You
can
increase
your
margins
because
the
margins
are
so
thin
in
Karen Finerman (Co-Founder & CEO)
02:02.880
banks.
That's
a
fantastic
setup.
That's
why
they're
up
this
much.
But
just
because
it's
the
year's
ending,
I'm
not
going
to
sell
my
banks
and
look
for
something
new.
I
? (Host)
02:10.720
You
think
still
you
like
what's
happening
you're
still
on
it.
You're
keeping
it.
Karen Finerman (Co-Founder & CEO)
02:12.720
City
City
is
the
sea
in
my
carb
trade.
? (Host)
02:15.560
Yeah.
Karen Finerman (Co-Founder & CEO)
02:16.280
Um
that
I
get
a
lot
of
guff
for.
Karen Finerman (Co-Founder & CEO)
02:19.480
Why?
That
would
be
a
word
guy
would
use.
You
get
Well,
Guy Adami (Director of Advisor Advocacy)
02:22.000
you
know,
these
anagrams
and
you
know
carb
and
energy
is
an
O
I
H.
It's
very
odd.
? (Host)
02:27.440
As
I
As
the
energy
guy,
I
I
fully
endorse
The
OIH.
XOM
whatever
we'll
get
the
XOM
in
a
bit
guy
me
just
settle
down.
? (Host)
02:38.200
148
on
City
Group
would
you
agree
with
guys
take?
Steve Grasso (CEO)
02:41.760
Yeah,
I
mean
you
have
the
economy
have
D
reg
you
have
a
host
of
things
that
are
going
right
investment
banking
fees
are
up
50%
probably
across
the
board
is
it
something
that
I
want
to
buy
now
probably
not
I
think
you
got
to
let
these
things
breathe.
I
think
you
go
into
a
new
Steve Grasso (CEO)
02:57.120
year
there's
the
CapEx
spend
there's
IPO
markets,
there's
M&A,
there's
tax
cuts,
there's
immediate
expensing.
You
could
name
all
the
all
the
things
that
are
tail
winds.
What
are
the
head
winds?
If
the
economy
slows,
if
if
if
people
if
unemployment
rate
moves
higher,
then
you're
Steve Grasso (CEO)
03:19.000
going
to
have
less
loan
demand.
So
I
think
there's
a
host
of
things
that
could
happen.
Even
if
rates
come
down,
there's
a
sweet
spot
for
net
interest
margins
where
if
rates
come
down
precipitously,
those
margins
will
get
squeezed.
So,
I
think
you
have
time
to
wait
on
the
banks.
Dan Nathan (Principal)
03:33.400
Yeah,
I
I
just
think
at
least
the
investment
banks,
Morgan
Goldman,
I
think
they
price
a
lot
in
right
now.
I
mean,
you're
going
to
keep
continue
to
hear,
capital
markets,
you're
going
to
continue
to
hear
about
the
IPO.
I
mean,
while
the
IPO
market
was
up
a
lot
this
year,
I
mean,
Dan Nathan (Principal)
03:45.800
it's
coming
off
a
very
small
base
and
next
year,
it's
really
dependent
on
these
massive
names,
right?
And
I
suspect,
you
know,
this
is
the
time
of
the
year,
you
kind
of
make
some
big
proclamations
or
whatever.
I
suspect
that
one
of
these
big
names
in
the
AI
space
that
a
lot
of
Dan Nathan (Principal)
03:59.320
folks
are
hoping
being
that
goes
public
next
year
actually
blows
up
and
it
goes
the
opposite
way.
And
we
see
a
lot
of
reverberations,
whether
it
be
the
banks
that
are
lending
to
these
folks.
You
just
can't
you
know
VCs
have
some
whoa.
? (Host)
04:12.120
That's
That's
a
big
That's
what
you
just
said.
This
is
what
Dan
Nathan
does.
You
just
you
kind
of
Yeah
put
the
very
team
calmly
dropped
the
bomb
in
there.
I
assume
you're
talking
about
the
Tussel
headed
guys
company
out
in
San
Francisco.
Well,
listen,
if
they
can't
a
couple
? (Host)
04:25.640
hundred
billion
in
valuation.
If
they
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