Expect lower returns in 2026 due to midterms, says Wealth Enhancement's Ayako Yoshioka
2025-12-30_21-37 • 4m 29s
John Fortt (Anchor)
00:00.000
Joining
me
now
is
Wealth
Enhancement
Group
portfolio
consulting
director
Aya
Yoshikawa
Yoshioka,
sorry,
with
$128.8
billion
in
assets
under
management.
Aya,
welcome.
So
tell
me,
the
economic
growth
you
expect
is
going
to
remain
strong
into
2026,
but
why
does
that
mean
that
John Fortt (Anchor)
00:23.120
equities
remain
strong
given
that
valuations
are
at
such
historic
highs?
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
00:28.720
Hi
John,
happy
holidays.
to
you.
So,
you
know,
the
last
few
years,
we've
seen,
you
know,
really
strong
market
returns,
right?
Double
digit
returns.
And,
you
know,
going
back
to
2023,
a
good
portion
of
that
came
from
multiple
expansion.
Well,
as
we
look
at
2025,
you
know,
80%
of
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
00:47.040
the
returns
that
we've
seen
out
of
the
17.5%
returns
in
the
S&P
500
this
year,
that's
largely
come
from
earnings
growth.
And
so,
we
expect
that
to
continue
in
2026.
And
we
don't
expect
much
in
terms
of
the
multiple
multiple
expansion
in
2026.
It's
already
at
elevated
levels.
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
01:05.560
It's
really
difficult
to
argue
for,
you
know,
more
in
terms
of
the
multiple
there.
John Fortt (Anchor)
01:10.960
So,
we
have
a
little
fan
service
on
CNBC
last
hour.
I
don't
know
if
you've
caught
it.
Mike
Santoli's
mystery
broker
was
finally
revealed.
I
want
to
read
you
a
little
bit
of
what
he
said.
Within
two
years,
this
is
all
going
to
end.
He
said,
"People
that
want
to
see
a
broadening
John Fortt (Anchor)
01:29.600
in
the
market
could
be
careful
what
you
wish
for
because
in
the
past,
it's
always
been
painful
for
the
entire
market.
Your
thoughts?
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
01:38.200
Sure.
So,
you
know,
we've
seen
such
concentration
in
markets
and
a
lot
of
this
concentration
has
been
given
to
the,
you
know,
leaders
that
have
had
strong
balance
sheets,
high
quality
names
with
really
strong
growth.
And
so,
you
know,
we
want
to
see
the
broadening
out
because
we
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
01:54.840
don't
want
to
see
the
market
being
driven
by
just
seven
names.
But
we
do
want
to
see
see
the
overall
market
being
a
reflection
of
the
overall
economy
and
that
broadening
out
being
reflected
in
markets.
So,
I
hope
it
doesn't
end
poorly
for
the
MAG
7.
I
hope
it
continues
with
the
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
02:13.440
S&P
500
hitting
new
highs
in
2026.
John Fortt (Anchor)
02:16.240
My
impression,
Aya,
is
that
this
market
is
leaning
hard
on
big
stocks,
leaning
hard
on
equities
and
leaning
hard
on
this
retail
investor
mindset
that
has
been
willing
to
buy
the
dips
with
April
of
this
year
being
a
prime
example.
How
much
is
that
culture
or
stance
going
to
be
John Fortt (Anchor)
02:37.000
tested
you
expect
in
2026?
How
much
volatility
does
it
leave
room
for
given
the
levels
of
margin
and
options
activity
that
retail
investors
have
taken
on?
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
02:49.440
Absolutely.
And
you
know,
Mike
Santoli
touched
on
this
a
little
bit.
It
is
a
midterm
election
year
in
2026
and
the
averages
aren't
too
kind.
I
think
we're
in
that
sort
of
mid-single-digit
returns
when
you
look
at
the
averages.
And
it
might
seem
a
little
disappointing
in
2026
to
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
03:06.800
have
a
6,
7,
8%
return
after
being
spoiled
for
3
years
in
a
row
of
15
plus
percent
returns.
So
we'll
have
to
see.
We
do
think
structurally
that
retail
investor
is
still
invested
and
wants
to,
you
know,
find
those
winners
and
it's
going
to
be
sort
of
imperative
that
there
is
a
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
03:25.560
little
bit
of
that
active
management
going
on
structurally
in
markets.
Well,
that's
a
to
all
the
passive
inflows
that
continue
to
happen
in
markets.
John Fortt (Anchor)
03:33.440
How
much
are
we
sort
of
leveraged
to
the
attitude
about
AI
infrastructure
spending?
It's
not
just
about
the
big
tech
names,
anymore.
We're
talking
about
utilities,
we're
talking
about
construction
equipment
companies,
all
getting
some
sort
of
a
lift
off
of
the
hopes
of
this
not
John Fortt (Anchor)
03:51.240
just
existing
plans,
but
continued
expansion
in
AI
data
center
spending.
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
03:57.560
Absolutely.
In
terms
of
the
AI
I,
you
know,
thematic.
We
did
get
that
broadening
out
of
all
the
picks
and
shovels
related
to
AI,
but
we
need
to
see
sort
of
that
continue.
And
I
think
investors
are
really
afraid
of
two
things.
One,
deceleration
in
that
growth
rate.
So,
it
would
Ayako Yoshioka (Portfolio Consulting Director)
04:16.000
impact
all
of
those
areas
of
AI.
And
this
being
the
increase
of
debt
used
to
fund
that
growth.
So,
I
think
those
are
the
two
things
that
we're
all
really
monitoring
as
we
go
into
2026.
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