What AI regulation may look like in 2026
2025-12-29_14-18 • 3m 55s
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For
a
look
at
AI
potential
regulation
in
the
new
year,
we
are
joined
by
Bradley
Tusk,
founder
and
CEO
of
Tusk
Tusk
Ventures.
Bradley,
great
to
see
you
this
morning.
You've
Right
got
a
pretty
uh
a
pretty
uh
you
know
thorough
view
of
exactly
where
you
think
things
are
headed.
On
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the
regulation
side
and
the
development
side
for
AI,
obviously
we
got
this
executive
order
this
month
from
the
president
suggesting
that
uh
you
know
the
federal
authority
should
supersede
states
uh
new
laws
on
AI.
Of
course
states
can
do
what
they
want.
They
can
pass
the
laws.
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Maybe
the
government
will
sue
them.
Maybe
they
won't.
But
how
do
you
think
this
is
coming
together
in
terms
of
what
elements
of
AI
are
being
regulated?
What
states
are
leading?
Bradley Tusk (Founder & CEO)
00:41.200
Yeah.
I
mean,
I
think
there's
really
three
different
categories.
There's
generative
AI
itself.
So
we
just
saw
Governor
Holker
amend
and
then
sign
the
Raise
Act
in
New
York.
Governor
Newsom
did
something
similar
a
couple
of
months
ago
in
California.
There
is
the
application
of
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AI.
So
Joe
mentioned
quickly
mental
health
chatbots.
We
saw
Illinois
and
Nevada.
Both
banned
those
last
year.
Seven
or
eight
more
states
are
taking
that
up
right
now.
And
then
finally,
and
this
is
the
one
that
I
actually
think
is
the
biggest
issue
of
all,
which
is
the
permitting
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and
zoning
for
data
centers.
And
that's
not
even
at
the
state
level.
That's
at
the
municipal
and
county
level.
And
the
reason
I
think
that
will
actually
be
the
biggest
issue
this
coming
year
is
simply
in
order
to
power
generative
AI
with
the
way
that
we
do
compute
in
this
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country
typically
right
now,
you
need
vast
amounts
of
energy.
And
if
energy
consumption
doubles,
which
is
what
the
prediction
is,
and
if
energy
supply
stays
relatively
flat,
obviously
prices
go
way
way
up,
and
those
costs
are
being
borne
by
local
consumers
in
their
electricity
Bradley Tusk (Founder & CEO)
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bills.
And
once
those
consumers
start
putting
two
and
two
together
and
realizing
that
they're
paying
a
lot
more
money
so
that
Nvidia
or
Open
AI
or
Oracle
or
whoever
benefits
as
a
result,
they're
going
to
revolt
and
they're
going
to
throw
everyone
out
of
office.
And
Paul
Bradley Tusk (Founder & CEO)
02:00.040
Politicians,
I
think
are
smart
enough
to
probably
realize
that
and
I
think
we
will
start
to
see
legislation
all
across
the
country
that
says
that
cities
and
counties
cannot
issue
permitting
to
new
data
centers
unless
there
is
no
corresponding
energy
cost
increase
for
consumers
Bradley Tusk (Founder & CEO)
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and
that's
really
going
to
be
the
big
fight
of
2026.
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Obviously,
the
industry
puts
out
these
warnings
that
it's
going
to
stifle
innovation
or
slow
down
the
process
Sure
of
the
US
becoming
or
maintaining
the
lead
in
AI.
Um,
do
you
actually
think
that
the
data
center
permitting
or
maybe
the
backlash
against
them
uh
is
something
that
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could
compromise
the
build
out
here?
Bradley Tusk (Founder & CEO)
02:40.040
No,
for
two
reasons.
First
of
all,
um
if
you
were
to
say,
hey,
uh
we're
not
going
to
make
con
consumers
bear
the
cost
of
all
of
this.
And
keep
in
mind,
if
there
is
significant
short-term
job
displacement
because
of
AI,
if
you're
combining
people
losing
their
jobs
who
are
paying
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50%
more
on
their
electricity
bills,
they're
going
to
the
revolution,
right?
Like
that
is
a
really
bad
thing
to
let
happen.
Um
but
beyond
that,
we
know
there
are
alternate
forms
of
compute,
whether
it's
an
inference
model
or
people
are
using
biological
compute
or
different
types
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of
memory
cylinders.
Um
so
we
know
that
that
exists.
And
in
a
way,
if
you
were
to
say
we're
not
going
to
just
impose
all
of
these
costs
and
negative
externalities
on
consumers,
it
actually
forces
innovation.
It
forces
the
companies
to
say,
"How
can
we
do
the
same
sort
of
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compute?"
without
the
same
sort
of
energy
needs.
So
it's
probably
to
the
good.
The
second
is
you
mentioned
sort
of
the
AI
race
in
terms
of
things
like
national
security.
That's
certainly
not
a
new
because
the
president
allowed
Naviti
to
sell
the
H-200
chips
to
China
last
week
or
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two
weeks
ago.
And
if
this
were
a
national
security
issue,
you
clearly
wouldn't
give
your
biggest
enemy
the
most
sensitive
technology
you
have.
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