FedWatch's Ben Emons forecasts gradual Fed rate cuts in 2026 - part 1/2
2025-12-26_22-48 • 5m 7s
Brian Sullivan (Anchor)
00:00.040
Bring
in
Ben
Emmons.
He
is
founder
and
chief
investment
officer
at
FedWatch
Advisors.
Ben,
I
saw
you
on
the
other
screen
sort
of
listening
intently
to
our
industrial
metals
discussion.
It
kind
of
all
rolls
into
the
Fed,
which
I
think,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
will
be
a
big
part
Brian Sullivan (Anchor)
00:18.400
of
the
discussion
in
the
first
half
of
2026.
What
is
your
expectation
for?
Well,
everything.
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
00:27.680
That
is
right,
Ryan.
I
think
that
it's
really
the
Fed
drive
a
lot
of
it
initially
because
you
know
we're
going
to
get
a
new
fat
chair
announced.
And
we're
going
to
get
the
Lisa
Cook
case,
you
know,
some
sort
of
resolution
on
that.
And
then
we
have
the
FOMC
meeting.
And
we
have
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
00:40.360
the
market
price
not
immediately
for
rate
cut.
So
there's
a
lot
pending
up
there.
And
I
think
to
the
discussion
about
gold,
you
know,
one
other
reason
why
gold
is
up
so
much
is
is
the
fact
that
the
moment
that
that
came
out
with
this
is
meeting
in
December,
gold
just
took
off.
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
00:55.800
And
that
was
actually
also
related,
I
think,
to
the
real
interest
rate,
the
funds
rate
the
account
inflation,
that
continues
to
slowly
to
decline.
That's
not
a
big
power
by
gold.
So
this
it
is
the
fact
that's
driving
here
a
lot
with
also
its
liquidity
that's
restarted
too.
Like
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
01:10.240
we're
we're
going
to
get
a
report
today
that
shows
the
Fed's
balance
sheet
is
continues
to
expand.
So
I
think
this
is
not
a
big
story
next
year,
Brian,
that
as
that
balance
he
starts
to
expand,
it
will
affect
broader
markets.
Brian Sullivan (Anchor)
01:21.680
Will
the
We're
going
to
get
the
announcement
at
some
point
on
who
the
next
Fed
chair
nominee
because
they've
got
to
be
confirmed
will
be.
We've
narrowed
it
down
Steve
Leespence
done
a
great
job.
There's
four
or
five
really
sort
of
final
candidates.
Do
you
care?
Does
the
market
Brian Sullivan (Anchor)
01:36.480
care?
Is
there
one
candidate,
one
of
the
two
Kevins,
a
Rick
Reader
maybe,
somebody
else
that
would
be
better
or
worse
for
the
equity
markets?
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
01:47.840
Well,
I
think
there's
an
interesting
take
to
to
to
give
there,
right?
Because
the
big
Rick
Reader,
right?
I
mean
he
he's
like
us.
He's
a
portfolio
manager.
He's
a
trader.
You
know,
someone
with
that
type
of
background
when
he
was
talking
to
Scott
Warner
on
one
of
his
interviews.
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
02:02.720
He's
really
talk
about
like
how
to
use
the
balance
sheet
in
a
more
creative
way
to
stimulate
the
economy
and
affect
that
for
the
markets.
So
he
could
be
a
really
good
friend
of
the
markets.
But
when
in
the
case
of
Kevin
Warner,
Kevin
has
it,
that's
a
very
different
story.
Think
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
02:18.040
back
of
April
when
Kevin
Warner
was
out
there
on
the
wire
saying
that
the
administration
is
looking
to
remove
Powell,
you
know,
the
market
really
generated
on
that
against
Kevin
Warner,
who's
very
much
against
QE.
He's
not
very
very
strong
about
this
balance
sheet
expansion.
So,
Ben Emons (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
02:32.520
I
think
the
word
still
out
on
how
the
market
will
respond
to
who
will
be
announced
next.
I
think
Rick
Reed
is
truly
a
friend
of
the
markets.
Kevin
and
Kevin,
that
could
be
a
different
story.
Tim Seymour (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
02:44.400
Hey
Ben,
so
let's
talk
about
this
dynamic
of
also
the
political
cycle
and
just
where
you
think
that
the
need
to
be
politically
in
vogue,
which
means
actually
stimulative
is
something
that
will
also
push
pressure
on
gold.
down
in
the
dollar,
but
ultimately
be
limited
back
to
the
Tim Seymour (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
03:02.800
Fed
who
may
be
at
least
more
influenced
at
this
point
going
into
midterms.
I
saw
your
notes,
I
think
it's
fascinating
and
I
think
it's
part
of
a
cycle
that
says
some
of
these
trades
that
we're
just
talking
about
are
going
to
continue.
And
also
a
steeper
yield
curve.
Curious
what
Tim Seymour (Founder and Chief Investment Officer)
03:17.520
you
think
also
why
the
curve
is
steepening
and
the
way
it
is.
I
understand
a
bull
steepening
from
the
short
end
because
of
lower
rates,
but
we're
also
not
seeing
the
long
end
come
down
in
any
way.
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