Strong earnings growth will continue for banks in 2026, says KBW's Christopher McGratty
2025-12-26_21-38 • 4m 29s
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
00:00.000
That's
Chris
McGrath,
head
of
US
Bank
Research
over
at
KBW.
Chris,
we
spoke
a
little
bit
about
the
broadening
outtrade
with
our
panel
just
this
past
few
moments
or
so.
I
wonder,
the
financials
are
a
big
part
of
that
story.
Is
there
a
macro
backdrop
that
makes
sure
that
the
banks
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
00:15.600
are
in
a
healthy
place
in
2026?
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
00:19.240
Well,
thanks
for
having
me
back,
Dom.
Happy
holidays.
Healthy
capital
markets
are
are
really
an
underpinning
of
what's
driven
a
lot
of
the
strength
in
2025.
Your
prior
guest
talked
about
credit
spreads
being
tight.
We
think
credit
spreads
are
something
to
watch
for
2026.
But
as
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
00:34.800
you
think
about
the
dynamic
and
the
setup
for
the
banks,
right?
We're
in
a
period
of
strong
solidly
double-digit
earnings
growth,
and
we
think
that
continues.
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
00:44.040
If
that
continues,
what
exactly
is
the
driver?
I
mean,
there's
a
lot
of
them,
but
what
are
the
primary
drivers
of
why
that
bank
trade
continues
to
be
healthy
from
a
fundamental
standpoint?
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
00:54.960
Right.
If
you
separate
the
performance
of
the
banks,
right?
The
largest
banks
are
up
40%
on
average
year-to-date,
the
smaller
banks
are
up
about
15.
So
there's
a
20%
to
25%
spread
between
the
winners
and
the
underperformers
this
year.
For
2025,
it's
been
about
capital
markets,
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
01:11.200
M&A,
trading,
investment
banking,
those
numbers
have
been
absolutely
incredible.
Volumes
up
40%.
If
you
think
about
2026,
for
this
trade
to
broaden,
you
need
to
see
the
yield
curve
remain
steep,
and
it
is.
You
need
to
see
loan
growth
return,
and
you're
seeing
signs
of
it.
And
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
01:27.880
you
need
to
see
earnings
supported
by
benign
credit
conditions,
which
for
the
most
part
have
been
a
real
common
denominator
in
2025.
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
01:35.400
So
those
benign
credit
conditions
are
due
in
some
part,
maybe
a
large
part
to
what's
happening
with
macro
policy
at
the
Fed.
How
important
is
the
Federal
Reserve
backdrop
to
the
health
of
these
banks?
Do
interest
rates
need
to
be
in
a
certain
area
or
range
in
order
for
that
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
01:50.320
bank's
story
to
continue
on
its
way
higher?
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
01:53.680
Right.
We're
We're
aligned
with
the
Fed.
We
think
there'll
probably
be
one
cut
in
2026,
whether
there's
one
or
two
to.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
change
the
earnings
dramatically,
but
you
do
need
to
see
the
yield
curve
stay
steep.
And
that's
what's
happened
over
the
course
of
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
02:07.120
2025.
We've
ended
the
longest
period
of
inversion.
And
what
you're
seeing
now
is
the
repricing
of
the
balance
sheet,
right?
So
regardless
if
the
Fed
goes
once
or
twice,
there's
a
backbook
dynamic
that's
really
going
to
support
net
interest
income.
And
so
you
get
that
with
lower
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
02:22.600
funding
costs,
and
that's
a
good
recipe
for
revenue
growth.
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
02:25.520
All
right.
If
that's
the
case,
then
what
types
of
financial
institutions
in
your
coverage
unit
universe
fair
the
best.
Are
we
talking
about
some
of
the
small,
medium-sized
regional
type
banks,
the
traditional
lenders?
Are
we
talking
about
massive
money
center
banks
that
also
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
02:39.040
have
capital
markets
operations
tied
to
them?
Are
we
talking
straight
investment
banks?
What
exactly
are
the
top
picks
for
2026?
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
02:46.880
For
sure.
For
all
of
25
and
into
26,
we
think
the
bigger
banks
are
the
place
to
be.
We've
seen
the
broadening
out
of
the
capital
markets.
They've
got
scale
across
their
business,
whether
it's
deposits,
capital
markets,
technology
spend.
The
returns
are
higher
and
more
stable,
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
03:01.120
and
we
think
just
because
the
stocks
have
worked,
we
think
they
can
continue
to
work.
But
we
do
see
broadening
out
to
the
traditional
banks.
Two
banks
I'd
give
you
here,
Dom.
KeyCorp
and
Citizens
Financial,
both
of
these
banks
are
taking
the
ROE
from
low
double
digit
to
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
03:14.800
mid-upper
teens,
and
these
stocks
traded
10
times
earnings.
What
we
like
about
Key
and
Citizens,
right,
is
the
back
book
repricing
regardless
if
the
Fed
goes
zero
or
one,
two
times.
The
revenue
outlook
is
big.
So
we
think
those
are
two
really
interesting
stocks.
And
the
large
we
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
03:30.640
still
think
Citi
is
one
of
the
top
picks.
Yes,
it's
had
a
huge
move
this
year,
but
it's
only
1.2
times
tangible
book.
They're
levered
to
capital
markets.
They've
got
a
really
important
capital
Investor
Day
coming
up
in
May.
And
we
think
Citi
can
continue
to
work.
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
03:45.320
All
right.
And
one
final
question
before
we
let
you
go
here.
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
way
that
those
banks
have
performed,
you
mentioned
before
the
kind
of
performance
gap
between
those
small
and
medium-sized
banks
versus
the
megacenter,
money
center-type
banks,
how
much
can
we
Dominic Chu (Senior Markets Correspondent)
03:57.680
expect
that
gap
to
close
in
2024?
2026.
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
04:01.640
Yeah,
it's
it's
the
number
one
question
we've
gotten
all
year
from
investors
is
is
why
would
we
pay
15
times
earnings
when
we
can
pay
10
for
something
smaller
and
cheaper.
We
think
there's
a
sprinkle
and
you
can
you
can
own
both.
You
know
the
the
the
banks
at
14
15
times
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
04:14.920
earnings
they're
growing
earnings
at
15
times.
So
we
think
that
will
continue
to
work.
But
if
you
do
want
to
see
this
rotation
trade
unfold
in
the
banks,
then
there
are
a
lot
of
banks
trading
at
9
10
11
times
and
the
ROEs
are
mid
to
upper
teens.
So
we
can
get
value
across
the
Chris McGratty (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Research)
04:27.840
spectrum.
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