Reskilling from AI layoffs is the biggest challenge we're seeing: Greer Consulting's Jason Greer
December 26, 2025 • 4m 40s
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we
are
joined
by
jason
grier
of
greer
consulting
founder
and
president
is
with
us
this
morning
jason
thanks
for
being
here
i
i
wrote
this
down
as
my
top
theme
for
twenty
twenty
six
for
actually
i
wrote
it
down
for
myself
i
was
just
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00:18.670
wondering
what
i
was
thinking
about
next
year
and
and
i
said
well
either
this
thing
continues
in
the
AI
boom
and
the
market
gets
very
excited
and
maybe
it
turns
its
interest
to
the
users
of
AI
or
you
have
the
downside
risk
that
whole
thing
ends
up
being
not
what
we
expected
and
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we
lose
a
lot
of
jobs
because
of
it
so
tell
me
what
i
should
think
about
all
this
jason
Jason Greer (Founder & President)
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well
you
should
consider
when
you
think
about
official
intelligence
look
at
it
from
this
perspective
that
the
future
is
now
artificial
intelligence
is
legitimately
embedded
in
everything
we
do
from
your
cell
phones
to
even
the
way
that
schools
are
preparing
their
students
for
Jason Greer (Founder & President)
00:50.630
what
life
is
going
to
look
like
when
they
actually
graduate
i
think
we're
going
to
see
in
the
market
we're
going
to
see
you
know
when
you
had
amazon
we
have
microsoft
who
announced
layoffs
last
year
or
this
year
right
you're
going
to
see
sort
of
the
mid
sized
markets
midsize
Jason Greer (Founder & President)
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jobs
that
are
going
to
be
eventually
let
go
but
i
think
overall
what
companies
are
looking
at
is
can
we
afford
AI
and
also
what
is
AI
going
to
do
for
us
not
in
twenty
twenty
six
but
also
twenty
twenty
seven
and
twenty
twenty
eight
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we
have
a
list
up
right
now
of
tech
layoffs
and
we
have
a
large
number
at
microsoft
a
large
number
at
amazon
but
there
was
something
that
we
called
AI
washing
where
they
basically
said
they
were
AI
layoffs
but
when
you
dug
a
little
deeper
they
weren't
necessarily
AI
layoffs
what
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what's
the
reality
here
jason
are
companies
laying
off
people
because
they're
instituting
AI
or
are
they
laying
off
people
then
calling
it
AI
because
they
don't
want
to
admit
to
weaknesses
Jason Greer (Founder & President)
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i
hate
to
take
people
behind
the
cover
i'm
going
to
take
you
behind
the
cover
because
i'm
having
these
conversations
behind
closed
doors
and
here's
what
it
looks
like
AI
for
a
lot
of
companies
is
just
really
good
window
washing
because
what's
really
happening
behind
the
scenes
Jason Greer (Founder & President)
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is
people
are
understanding
that
we
have
a
bunch
of
talent
that
unfortunately
the
market
is
going
to
reward
us
for
laying
people
off
but
on
the
other
side
of
that
is
we
lay
folks
off
we
say
that
it's
because
of
artificial
intelligence
and
then
we
rehire
you
for
half
of
what
we
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paid
you
so
it's
one
of
those
things
that
artificial
intelligence
some
sectors
let's
be
real
some
sectors
people
are
laying
people
off
because
of
artificial
intelligence
and
automation
because
that's
the
reality
but
on
the
other
side
it's
you
know
business
is
not
you
know
people
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are
not
in
business
because
they
just
want
to
keep
people
people
are
in
business
in
order
to
move
product
to
make
money
for
their
shareholders
and
one
of
the
best
way
to
make
money
for
the
shareholders
is
to
do
what
the
market
rewards
and
that's
to
lay
people
off
unfortunately
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02:43.230
in
the
in
the
industries
that
i
cover
i
mean
we're
seeing
the
disruption
in
travel
and
a
lot
of
skepticism
about
whether
you
know
online
travel
agents
are
going
to
be
put
out
of
business
by
chatgpt
deciding
where
you
should
go
and
what
you
should
do
i
have
seen
no
big
disruptor
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03:00.510
than
in
the
insurance
industry
where
AI
can
go
in
and
do
so
much
of
the
underwriting
the
risk
evaluation
claims
and
the
administrative
tasks
and
in
fact
we
heard
chubb
saying
they
plan
to
lay
off
twenty
percent
of
the
workforce
over
the
next
three
years
or
so
as
they
start
to
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incorporate
more
and
more
technology
what
do
you
do
with
all
those
people
who
lose
their
jobs
i
mean
at
some
point
what's
if
you're
an
insurance
agent
or
a
claims
adjuster
where
else
can
you
go
and
work
what
kind
of
reskilling
can
you
get
that's
Jason Greer (Founder & President)
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the
biggest
challenge
that
we're
seeing
you
know
you
have
stanford
university
that
just
announced
that
and
i
don't
pretend
to
be
a
tech
person
so
please
understand
and
please
forgive
me
if
i
butcher
these
terms
but
you
have
students
who
are
graduating
who
could
do
code
and
you
Jason Greer (Founder & President)
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know
they
were
the
people
going
to
amazon
they
were
the
people
going
to
microsoft
three
years
ago
making
a
bunch
of
money
but
now
what
they're
finding
is
that
those
jobs
are
essentially
being
done
by
AI
and
there's
really
no
need
for
them
i
think
what
happens
in
this
is
becomes
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a
generational
perspective
if
you're
young
what
a
stanford
university
is
doing
is
that
they're
actively
encouraging
their
their
students
stay
an
additional
year
stay
an
additional
two
years
get
your
master
's
degree
retool
your
skill
set
so
that
you're
ready
to
go
into
the
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market
if
you
happen
to
be
look
i'm
fifty
one
years
old
so
i'm
looking
at
a
world
in
which
that
looks
a
lot
different
today
than
it
did
when
i
graduated
from
college
in
nineteen
ninety
six
so
i
think
it's
one
of
those
things
that
if
you're
an
older
employee
you
have
to
take
a
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step
back
and
ask
what
do
i
think
the
market
is
going
to
reward
not
today
but
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