Dan Ives: 2026 will be key period to show next stage of AI trade from software and cyber
December 19, 2025 • 4m 50s
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00:00.350
twenty
twenty
six
will
be
an
inflection
point
in
the
AI
revolution
that's
just
one
of
the
predictions
wedbush
's
dan
ives
is
making
as
he
looks
ahead
to
the
new
year
joins
us
now
as
you
see
it's
good
to
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
00:10.550
see
you
agreed
to
be
here
what
does
? (?)
00:11.790
that
mean
an
inflection
point
i
think
it's
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
00:13.950
about
the
modernization
of
the
AI
revolution
specifically
on
the
software
side
you
know
i
think
obviously
pound
here
we've
seen
that
front
and
center
but
you
look
at
mango
DB
snowflake
the
use
cases
i
think
really
the
infrastructure
build
out
i
mean
this
is
really
going
to
be
a
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
00:30.590
key
period
to
show
the
next
stage
of
the
AI
revolution
from
a
software
cybersecurity
and
infrastructure
perspective
all
? (?)
00:37.870
right
so
the
headline
here
is
that
you
think
tech
stocks
are
going
to
be
up
over
twenty
percent
in
twenty
twenty
six
when
you
say
you're
talking
as
the
sector
the
sector
is
gonna
be
up
twenty
percent
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
00:47.630
i
think
sector
is
gonna
be
up
twenty
percent
i
actually
think
large
cap
tech
in
terms
of
like
some
of
the
mag
seventeen
can
be
up
morick
i
think
like
a
microsoft
could
be
up
thirty
forty
percent
i
look
at
names
like
google
i
look
at
what
ultimately
in
my
opinion
you
have
three
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
01:03.710
to
four
trillion
that's
going
to
be
spent
next
three
to
four
years
you're
just
starting
now
this
next
phase
like
i've
talked
about
third
inning
in
terms
of
nine
inning
game
but
but
now
the
second
third
fourth
derivative
is
play
out
across
software
across
the
infrastructure
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
01:17.990
across
cybersecurity
and
that's
why
i
just
anytime
you
talk
about
AI
bubble
i
mean
i
was
just
an
easy
right
for
three
weeks
i
mean
demand
the
supplies
twelve
to
one
and
US
for
the
first
time
in
thirty
years
ahead
of
china
? (?)
01:28.950
what
isn't
known
about
the
microsoft
story
at
this
point
and
why
is
the
stock
underperformed
relative
to
some
others
why
could
it
possibly
be
up
forty
percent
next
year
yeah
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
01:37.790
i
think
to
something
that's
a
view
like
OK
it's
not
just
microsoft
it's
what
google
has
done
they've
had
a
lot
of
success
on
cloud
it's
obviously
aws
and
what
jassy
's
done
is
you
know
is
is
impressive
but
i
think
when
investors
are
underestimating
is
we've
seen
deals
accelerate
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
01:54.790
thirty
percent
from
azure
from
our
checks
so
i
think
as
microsoft
comes
out
in
late
january
as
you
start
to
see
the
numbers
play
out
i
mean
i
i
think
it
could
be
conservative
thirty
or
forty
percent
in
my
view
like
microsoft
and
name
where
when
i
look
at
large
cap
the
table
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
02:12.310
pounders
here
apple
and
we
could
talk
about
that
microsoft
and
i've
said
i
think
oracle
the
sell
off
here
way
way
overdone
that
like
i
think
it
could
be
a
two
hundred
fifty
dollars
stock
? (?)
02:24.270
why
are
you
so
sure
the
sell
off
is
overdone
in
oracle
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
02:28.280
because
i
view
it
as
like
when
you
think
about
the
AI
revolution
the
stack
and
their
install
base
and
all
that
and
all
the
checks
that
we
do
i'm
not
saying
there's
not
gonna
be
bumps
in
the
road
in
terms
of
the
data
center
build
out
? (?)
02:39.870
isn't
that
what
we're
witnessing
sort
of
right
now
how
the
street
is
viewing
the
financing
behind
the
the
build
out
that
the
very
build
out
you're
talking
about
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
02:46.950
yeah
i
think
the
street
is
basically
giving
it
little
to
no
credit
for
the
five
hundred
billion
that
are
they're
essentially
going
to
have
in
terms
of
you
know
in
the
future
in
terms
of
not
just
open
AI
but
building
out
the
building
out
the
stack
over
the
coming
years
you're
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
03:01.430
going
to
have
growth
accelerating
from
seventeen
percent
to
thirty
percent
to
forty
five
percent
i
think
investors
are
basically
putting
a
massive
discount
saying
like
OK
i'll
call
that
and
you're
not
gonna
ultimately
be
able
to
hit
that
and
i
think
that's
why
oracle
right
here
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
03:16.310
i
continue
view
as
a
huge
proving
moment
that
they're
gonna
? (?)
03:19.590
show
you
don't
have
any
concerns
about
the
balance
sheet
at
all
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
03:22.230
look
i
i
view
it
as
like
if
you
could
take
on
some
debt
to
get
to
really
transformation
for
them
to
really
become
hyper
scour
and
you
look
at
that
open
AI
revenue
and
i
think
anyone
associated
with
open
AI
right
now
you've
seen
those
stocks
trade
a
lot
lower
and
i
disagree
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
03:39.700
because
in
my
view
like
open
AI
is
going
to
be
the
epicenter
of
this
stage
of
the
AI
revolution
and
we've
talked
about
it
it's
like
you're
you're
still
in
the
early
days
of
the
monetization
i
think
it's
going
to
prove
out
that
this
is
a
huge
buying
opportunity
in
microsoft
in
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
03:57.420
oracle
in
a
lot
of
these
names
you
know
nvidia
rooted
that
have
sold
off
all
right
? (?)
04:01.620
so
you
mentioned
apple
do
you
think
that
apple
one
of
your
predictions
number
three
apple
and
google
will
announce
a
formal
AI
partnership
around
gemini
that
will
finally
cement
a
real
AI
strategy
for
cupertino
expand
on
that
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
04:14.380
well
i
think
you
know
part
of
the
issue
and
we've
been
at
WWDC
the
last
few
years
back
to
future
type
moments
you
know
where
really
they
there
have
been
on
a
treadmill
of
two
point
five
speed
on
AI
now
finally
you
have
new
leadership
from
the
outside
i
think
you
have
a
lot
of
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
04:29.620
changes
that
are
setting
the
stage
for
the
gemini
partnership
they
couldn't
do
that
before
the
DOJ
win
now
google
and
apple
and
i
think
that
cements
in
march
and
april
and
it
sets
up
for
cupertino
finally
coming
to
the
AI
party
that's
worth
i
think
seventy
five
to
a
hundred
Dan Ives (Global Head of Tech Research)
04:46.300
dollars
per
share
that
probably
the
number
one
large
cap
name
that
you
don't
hear
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